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Buxton 2012: Orwell vs. Kipling

    Speakers

    For Orwell;

  • Paul Anderson (journalist, author, academic, editor of Orwell in Tribune: ‘As I Please and other writings 1943-7’)
  • Stuart Evers (Author of ‘Ten Stories about Smoking’ and ‘If This is Home’; book reviewer)
  • For Kipling;

  • Charles Allen (historian, author of Orwell Prize-longlisted ‘Kipling Sahib’)
  • Jan Montefiore (Professor at University of Kent, author of ‘Kipling’ and editor of Kipling’s forthcoming ‘The Man Who Would be King and other stories’)
  • Chaired by Tony Wright (Former MP for Cannock Chase, Professor of Government and Public Policy at UCL, co-editor of Political Quarterly)

Details

Both Orwell and Kipling wrote about the British Empire, having both been born in India. Both are known to people who haven’t read a word of their work, whether through Nineteen Eighty-Four or The Jungle Book. Both were intensely political writers, who wrote poetry, prose and for the press. But was Orwell or Kipling the greater writer? Whose work resonates more today? And for whom will you vote after our panel have made their respective cases?

Links

  • Buxton 2011: Is politics corrupted by corrupted language
  • George Orwell: Burmese Days (1934)
  • George Orwell: Rudyard Kipling (New English Weekly, 1936)
  • George Orwell: Rudyard Kipling (Horizon, 1942)
  • Douglas Kerr: Orwell, Kipling and Empire
  • Video

    Orwell the book reviewer

    A guest post by Paul Anderson One of the funniest of George Orwell’s many columns for the left-wing weekly Tribune is ‘Confessions of a book reviewer’, published on 3 May 1946, with its dismal depiction of the procrastinating writer struggling to churn out the words on the latest books: “He is a man of thirty-five, but looks fifty. He is bald, has varicose veins and wears spectacles, or would wear them if his only pair were not chronically lost. If things are normal with him he will be suffering from malnutrition, but if he has recently had a lucky streak he will be suffering from a hangover. At present it is half-past eleven in the morning, and according to his schedule he should have started work two hours ago; but even if he had made any serious effort to start he would have been frustrated by the almost continuous ringing of the telephone bell, the yells of the baby, the rattle of an electric drill out in the street, and the heavy boots of his creditors clumping up and down the stairs…” It is, of course, satire. The package of books the reviewer has to review in a single article comprises five ludicrously incompatible titles – “Palestine at the Crossroads, Scientific Dairy Farming, A Short History of European Democracy (this one is 680 pages and weighs four pounds), Tribal Customs in Portuguese East Africa, and a novel, It’s Nicer Lying Down, probably included by mistake”. And the reviewer is an utterly shameless hack. When he finally gets down to writing, “All the stale old phrases – ‘a book that no one should miss’, ‘something memorable on every page’, ‘of special value are the chapters dealing with, etc, etc’ – will jump into their place like iron filings obeying the magnet, and the review will end up at exactly the right length and with just about three minutes to go.” All the same, ‘Confessions of a book reviewer’ is a self-portrait of sorts – though not of the Orwell of 1946. By then, he had long left behind the years of turning out freelance reviews to pay the rent while he worked on bigger projects. Four years of steady employment followed by the success of Animal Farm had given him a security he had not enjoyed since leaving the Indian police service in 1927. He still wrote reviews, but they were mainly for big newspapers that paid properly, the Observer and the Manchester Evening News, and he had the status that allowed him to choose what he reviewed. Most of his writing about books was in essay-length literary criticism rather than reviewing. From 1930 until 1941, however, book reviewing had been Orwell’s main means of subsistence. He turned out pieces week-in, week-out – particularly for the Adelphi, New English Weekly and Time and Tide but also for others, including, latterly, the New Statesman and Tribune – while working on his own books of fiction and reportage, none of which, with the exception of The Road to Wigan Pier, was a commercial success at the time. The editor of Orwell’s Complete Works, Peter Davison, estimates that Orwell reviewed some 800 books in the last 20 years of his life. And for the first 10 of those 20 years, he was as poor and as put-upon as the hapless writer in ‘Confessions of a book reviewer’, if never quite so cynical (and never bald). Few of Orwell’s book reviews can be counted among his best work: they are jobbing journalism produced to order for money. But they are well-constructed and clearly written models of the reviewer’s craft that anyone reviewing books today should read – though the chances in 2012 of making even the meagre living from book reviewing enjoyed by Orwell in the 1930s are close to nil. Paul Anderson is the editor of Orwell in Tribune: ‘As I Please’ and other writings 1943-47

    Buxton

    We will be hearing more from Paul on Monday at the Buxton Festival where he and Stuart Evers will be supporting Orwell in our Orwell vs Kipling debate over who was the greater writer. There for Kipling will be Jan Montifiore and Charles Allen. The great Tony Wright will chair. Last chance to buy tickets here or standby for a forthcoming coverage on our website.

    From the archive

    In the days leading up to our Orwell vs Kipling debate we have thought of Orwell’s own view of his contemporaries. He writes about many greats of the 19th century including Dickens and Tolstoy as well as those of his own era like Miller and Kipling. Orwell’s piece ‘In Defence of P.G. Wodehouse’ addresses the controversy stirred when Wodehouse broadcast from Nazi Germany. Of course Orwell wrote about very many books too like ‘Benefit of Clergy: Some Notes on Salvador Dali’. Then there’s also the aforementioned ‘Confessions of a book reviewer’ where Orwell writes about writing about books.

    From elsewhere

  • This week Vanity Fair published ‘The Importance of being Orwell’, a modified introduction by Christopher Hitchens to the forthcoming Diaries, by George Orwell
  • If you’ve been following the developing story on Rangers FC with interest you should have a look at the Orwell Prize winning blog Rangers Tax-Case
  • This week Zoe Williams, who was longlisted for this year’s Orwell Prize for Journalism, wrote an impressive piece for The Guardian on how family planning is affecting Nepalese society
  • On Wednesday Orwell appeared in an Evening Standard piece reflecting on seven decades at Bush House. He worked at Bush House as a talks producer for the Eastern Service from 1941 to 1943
  • The wartime diaries

    This week’s entry was published on 10th July 1942. Next week’s entry will be published on 22nd July 1942. Don’t forget our other Orwell Diary blogs: his Hop-Picking Diary and The Road to Wigan Pier Diary. If you’ve got any suggestions about our website(s), we’d love to hear from you – email us on katriona.lewis@mediastandardstrust.org. You can also follow us on Twitter and like us on Facebook.

    This year’s entries

    Here’s your reading list for the next few months: we’ve published a full list of entries for the Orwell Prize 2012. Yet again, we’ve received a record number of submissions for each Prize, with 263 264 books140 journalists and 226 bloggers put forward. More details – and links – can be found on the Book Prize 2012Journalism Prize 2012 and Blog Prize 2012 entry pages.

    Job advert: Orwell Prize administrator

    We’re advertising for a new Orwell Prize administrator. The current deputy director, Gavin Freeguard, will be leaving the Prize and the Media Standards Trust (which administers the Prize on behalf of the Council of the Orwell Prize) at the beginning of March. He has been responsible for running the Prize since November 2007. You can find the advert on the w4mp website, on the Orwell Prize website, and on the Media Standards Trust website.

    Christopher Hitchens on Animal Farm

    The Prize is privileged to be able to give you an exclusive extract of an introduction to Animal Farm by the late Christopher Hitchens. Thanks to publishers Harvill Secker, you can – for a limited time – read Christopher’s thoughts on the publication, and the afterlife, of Orwell’s classic, on our website.

    Nineteen Eighty-Four at Foyles

    The Foyles Café at Foyles Bookshop, Charing Cross Road is currently exhibiting some of Aleks Krotoski’s photographs inspired by Nineteen Eighty-Four. Aleks spent just over a year telling the first 369 words of the novel, one word at a time, in photographs. You can see the full set of images on her Flickr stream, and you can buy some of the images via her online storeMore on the novel on our site.

    Nightjack

    Nightjack (or properly, Jack Night, blogging at ‘Nightjack: An English Detective’) was the winner of the first Orwell Prize for Blogs, in 2009. A few weeks later, he was revealed by The Times to be Richard Horton, after Lord Justice Eady refused an injunction to protect Nightjack’s identity. The case has been revisited during the course of the Leveson Inquiry on press ethics, with evidence suggesting that Nightjack’s identity was exposed as a result of email hacking by a Times reporter. The police are now investigating, and this Wednesday’s Times carried ‘Times Editor James Harding apologises for email hacking’ (£)Times carried ‘Times Editor James Harding apologises for email hacking’ (£) on its front page. Former Orwell Prize judge, David Allen Green (shortlisted by Richard when he judged the Blog Prize 2010, and who discussed political blogging with him at our 2011 longlist debate) has written about the case here and here (Jack of Kent), and herehereherehere and here (New Statesman).

    At the Sunday Times Oxford Literary Festival 2012

    We’ll be at the Sunday Times Oxford Literary Festival for a fifth year, with three events. Click on the event titles for full details, to book and to read some relevant Orwell essays:

    • Homage to Catalonia: the Spanish Civil War, 2pm, Friday 30 March: Helen Graham, Paul Preston, Francisco Romero Salvado, chaired by Jean Seaton
    • The Road to Wigan Pier: 75 years on, 6.30pm, Saturday 31 March: Stephen Armstrong, Beatrix Campbell, Juliet Gardiner, Paul Mason, chaired by D. J. Taylor
    • Politics and the Press, 4pm, Sunday 1 April: Gaby Hinsliff, Martin Moore, Lance Price, chaired by Jean Seaton

    From the archive

    Fans around the world celebrated the 200th anniversary of Charles Dickens’ birth on 7 February. On our website, we have Orwell’s famous essay, ‘Charles Dickens’ (originally published in 1940, along with ‘Inside the Whale’ and ‘Boys’ Weeklies’). We’ve also used the essay as a happy excuse for a couple of debates  on Orwell vs Dickens, both of which you can watch video of: Francine Stock, Jenny Hartley, Philip Hensher, Hardeep Singh Kohli and Jean Seaton in Oxford, 2009; and Dame Janet Smith, David Aaronovitch, Lucinda Hawksley, Michael Slater and DJ Taylor in Buxton, 2010. There have been a number of Orwell publication anniversaries over the last few weeks, too. ‘Books vs. Cigarettes’ was first published on 8 February 1946. ‘The Moon Under Water’, on Orwell’s perfect pub, was first published on 9 February 1946 (the late Keith Waterhouse and BBC Radio 4’s Today programme have both considered the essay in the past, while Orwell also wrote a review of Mass Observation’s ‘The Pub and the People’ in 1943). There are a couple of new Orwell essays on poetry on our site. W. B. Yeats died on 28 January 1939 – Orwell wrote an essay on him in 1943 – and you can also read ‘Nonsense Poetry’ from 1945, all about Edward Lear (who died on 29 January 1888). Our section on Orwell’s poetry has poems by Orwell, and some essays by and about him on the subject. Also new to our site recently: Orwell’s ‘Antisemitism in Britain’ (1945) and ‘Reflections on Gandhi’ (1949).

    From elsewhere

    The Wartime Diaries

    The next entry will be published on 14th March. Don’t forget our other Orwell Diary blogs: his Hop-Picking Diary and The Road to Wigan Pier Diary. If you’ve got any suggestions about our website(s), we’d love to hear from you – email us on gavin.freeguard@mediastandardstrust.org or follow us on Twitter. And you can subscribe to this newsletter via email.

    Oxford 2011: Orwell vs Kipling

    Speakers

    • Chaired by Jean Seaton (director of the Orwell Prize)

    Orwell:

    Kipling:

    Details

    ‘Kipling is in the peculiar position of having been a byword for fifty years. During five literary generations every enlightened person has despised him, and at the end of that time nine-tenths of those enlightened persons are forgotten and Kipling is in some sense still there.’ George Orwell on Rudyard Kipling, 1942

    Both Orwell and Kipling (who died 75 years ago, in 1936) were born in India and wrote about the British Empire. Both of them were intensely political writers, across journalism, prose and poetry. But which of them is the greater writer?

    Links

    Video

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    Douglas Kerr: Orwell, Kipling, and Empire

    One of the greatest of modern British writers was an Englishman who was born in India. He was privately educated in England, did not go to university, and returned to the East to work after leaving school. Empire, and the relation between those in authority and those under authority, became one of the principal themes of his writing, both in journalism and in fiction. He lived by his pen, and made a name as an author of strong political convictions. Many of his stories and phrases have embedded themselves in the English language and the consciousness of its users, even of those who have never actually read his work. Both admired and hated in his own lifetime, his genius made him a spokesman and a symbol in the great ideological contentions of modern times, and after his death he was considered not only an important writer, but also but a particular embodiment of the character of his country.

    Well actually, not one of the greatest of modern British writers. Two of the greatest of modern British writers.

    Orwell and Kipling emerge – and I think are beginning to emerge, even in the academic discourse of English literature – as giant figures, or twinned heraldic animals like the lion and the unicorn, of modern British writing. And though our first instinct is to think of them as opposites, the curious similarities between them proliferate. Both of them were patriots, though highly critical of their fellow-countrymen and frequently of their government. Both were public intellectuals who used their writing to raise political consciousness. Both loved animals and wrote books about them, and both had a strong feeling for the English countryside.

    Both were men of principle, but they were also realists in the sense of a non-theoretical empiricism. They were both impatient with orthodoxy and theory. Orwell’s disgust at W. H. Auden’s glib phrase about “the conscious acceptance of guilt in the necessary murder” – “It could only be written,” Orwell said, “by a person to whom murder is at most a word” (XII, 103) – reminds me a little of Kipling’s rage at liberals like “Pagett M.P.” who pontificated about India without bothering to learn about it [1]. Both attitudes, to be sure, have something of the smugness of a man of the world, playing the trump card of experience.

    Importantly – this is part of what makes them modern – both had a global vision. Though Orwell at one point kept a village shop, and Kipling for years impersonated a country gentleman at Burwash, they were the opposite of provincial. Both of them were exasperated by British (English?) insularity. “What do they know of England, who only England know?” was Kipling’s lament that his neighbours knew and cared so little about their achievements, and obligations, in the wide world. Orwell agreed about the ignorance. He pointed out that most ordinary people at home had no idea or understanding of the fact that their whole economic way of life depended on Britain’s “coolie empire” overseas. His words, though brutally phrased, have a resonance for those of us who enjoy a more modern form of globalization. “We all live by robbing Asiatic coolies, and those of us who are ‘enlightened’ all maintain that those coolies ought to be set free; but our standard of living, and hence our ‘enlightenment’, demands that the robbery shall continue” (XIII, 153). This comes from his Horizon essay on Kipling (1942), one of the best he wrote.

    Kipling and Orwell were citizens of the world. But the origin of this cosmopolitanism was rather different in their two cases. For Kipling, it was a function of empire. He travelled all over it, he came to think of himself as its bard, and though he was an acute observer of its local differences, he also found it everywhere the same. The empire he knew or imagined was a world network of power, hierarchical relationships, security and welfare. Globally diffused, it had little to do any more with the European island that had given birth to it. Sometimes when he speaks of it, he makes it sound like the United Nations. Empire was something the African bushman and the Himalayan hillgirl and the Irish infantryman had in common. It was, at its most exalted, a global moral force. At its core, of course, for Kipling, was the authority and duty of white people, the “white man’s burden”. Kipling’s empire was a vision of the world, a global Utopia, but it was a racially understood and organized world, under white government. Like his friend Cecil Rhodes, he continued to hope that the United States would re-federate with the British Empire (perhaps after a handsome apology on both sides?) and rule the world.

    Orwell, of course, did not recognize that empire in the least, except as a foreshadowing of the terrible warring superpowers envisaged in Nineteen Eighty Four. His own global vision derived from his socialism, which is always a kind of internationalism. That was what gave him a feeling of kinship with the Italian militiaman he describes meeting in the opening pages of Homage to Catalonia; and it was that sense of the world that had brought him to fight with the POUM militia in Spain, among people with whom, admittedly, he had very little in common and whose speech he could hardly understand. It was the betrayal of that internationalism, first in Barcelona and later everywhere else, that most disgusted him about Stalin and the regime he ruled in a country that had the word “socialist” in its name. From opposite ends of the political spectrum, Orwell and Kipling were globalists. There was nothing narrow about either of them. They could see the whole picture.

    The similarities are intriguing. The differences, of course, were polar. “It is no use pretending that Kipling’s view of life, as a whole, can be accepted or even forgiven by any civilized person,” Orwell writes (XIII, 151). Kipling was an imperialist – though not a fascist (his outlook was “prefascist”, says Orwell carefully). Orwell was anti-imperialist; in fact his entire politics was erected on the emotional experience of his service in Burma as a policeman of the British Empire, and it was when he came to understand the relation between that, and what he saw and experienced in Spain, that the Orwellian politics emerged in its mature form. He was prepared to argue that some of what empire did was for the good: what it was, however, was indefensible.

    There were personal and aesthetic differences as well as ideological ones. Kipling was brilliant and precocious, doing some of his best work in his twenties. He had his unhappiness, but I think he never doubted his imaginative and creative powers. He would not have understood Orwell’s gloomy statement that writing a book was like undergoing an illness. Orwell’s genius was entirely prosaic, he was a slow starter, diffident and often clumsy, always disappointed with his own work, the kind of writer for whom every book was doomed to be, in T. S. Eliot’s words, a different kind of failure. I don’t know that Kipling ever read anything written by Orwell. When Orwell criticizes Kipling’s work, he objects to his ideas, but also repeatedly to his vulgarity, and this is a complaint that probably has its roots in Eton rather than on the road to Wigan Pier. But one thing that the 1942 essay shows very clearly is that Orwell knew Kipling’s writing very well indeed. [2]

    This is hardly surprising. For a boy of Orwell’s class and generation, and especially for one whose father actually worked for the Government of India, Kipling was the author of childhood. First The Just So Stories, then the Jungle Books, Puck of Pook’s Hill, Rewards and Fairies, Kim, Stalky and Co…. Not just a favourite on the nursery bookshelf, Kipling was the author of childhood for the sons (daughters too) of empire in a wider sense; they experienced the world through his eyes, and Kipling’s books helped them to see and relate to the important things in their environment – animals, the natural world, home, parents and other adults, jokes and games, friends, school, and later more abstract issues, like duty, work, country, masculinity and femininity.

    When the young Eric Blair, fresh from school, went to Burma to serve in the police, he was going to a place that Kipling had more or less invented for the benefit of his fellow-countrymen: they knew about the Orient, and Orientals, through him. Leonard Woolf, who belonged to the generation between Kipling and Orwell, went to work as a colonial official in Ceylon (Sri Lanka) in 1904, and found the place uncannily familiar. It was Kipling country. Woolf said he could not decide whether Kipling had been brilliantly accurate in his description of the British in the East, or whether by now the British in the East modelled themselves on Kipling’s characters. [3]

    Orwell too must have felt a sense of déjà vu in the “Kipling-haunted clubs” of British Burma. Kipling is a ghostly background figure in “A Hanging” and “Shooting an Elephant”, and above all in Burmese Days. The racist mediocrities who hang out in the club at Kyauktada are Kipling characters, stripped of the glamour and charm with which Kipling invested them. But Veraswami, the comically pro-British Indian doctor, is a variation on a theme by Kipling too, and so is the wily and corrupt U Po Kyin. As for the central character Flory, his local mistress, his white fiancée, his enjoyment of the jungle, his sporting activities, his close friendship with an Indian, his moment of heroism during a riot, his disgrace, and his eventual suicide, all have identifiable precedents in Kipling. One thing you do not find in Kipling, though, is the central theme of Burmese Days, an Englishman in the East who has lost his faith in empire.

    A knowledge of Kipling helps us to understand Orwell, for no writer was more important to him, as an influence, example, and antagonist. In some sense Orwell’s whole life was a conversation, or quarrel, with Kipling. He seemed to acknowledge this when he wrote, when Kipling died, “I worshipped [him] at thirteen, loathed him at seventeen, enjoyed him at twenty, despised him at twenty-five and now again rather admire him” (X, 409).

    But a knowledge of Orwell also helps us to understand Kipling, in a number of ways. In his essay “Tradition and the Individual Talent”, T. S. Eliot talks about how, when a new literary work appears on the scene, every existing work is modified by it and the whole scene subtly rearranged. Thus, we can’t really read Kipling’s stories of the Raj in the same way once we have read Burmese Days. Though Kipling’s words are unchanged, the Orwell novel has changed how we read them.

    Kipling, who died in 1936, did not know that the empire he loved would disappear within a lifetime. So in a sense we know more about the British Empire than Kipling did, because we know what was to happen to it. The one thing Kipling seems not to have been able to imagine was an alternative to empire. But if we know Orwell, we know the work of someone who devoted his whole writing lifetime to answering the question of what such an alternative might look like, and how – and how difficult it would be – to achieve it.

    Notes

    [1] These references are to The Complete Works of George Orwell (1998) by volume and page.
    [2] Most of the references to Kipling’s work in Orwell’s essay are to the poems. This is partly because the essay was prompted by Orwell’s reading of T. S. Eliot’s A Choice of Kipling’s Verse (1941). But it is also a reminder that, though nowadays Kipling is admired and discussed chiefly as a writer of prose fiction, many readers of an earlier generation thought of him first and foremost as a poet.
    [3] Leonard Woolf, Growing: An Autobiography of the Years 1904-1911 (London: Hogarth Press, 1961) 46.

    Douglas Kerr is Professor in the School of English at the University of Hong Kong. He is the author of Wilfred Owen’s Voices (Clarendon Press), George Orwell (Writers and their Work series), and co-editor, with Julia Kuehn, of A Century of Travels in China: Critical Essays on Travel Writing from the 1840s to the 1940s (Hong Kong University Press). He is also a founding co-editor of Critical Zone: A Forum of Chinese and Western Knowledge.

    First published by Finlay Publisher